Overall conclusion: Phi is an interesting book and worth borrowing from the library. In the meantime allow me to give link to my latest poster presented onTowards a Science of counsciousness: Vegetative State Patients as Moral Patients, Microblogging is the future, or at least my future, My Biggest Pet Peeve in Consciousness Research, Quote for the Day – The Dangers of Anthropomorphism, Language and thought: A Jaynesian Perspective, Review of Daniel Everett's new book Language: The Cultural Tool, Quote of the day – Depth of Processing in the Vegetative State. The theory of integrated information is therefore a modern form of panpsychism based on the informational axiom of “it from bit”. Phi is easily the most unusual book on consciousness I have read in awhile. In addition to the major scientific journals, his work has appeared in New Scientist, Science Daily, and Scientific American. Which may not sound like the compliment it’s meant to be.
I am a panpsychist, but I have no patience for “it from bit”, which I consider Platonism run amok. ( Log Out / And he plainly admits he hasn’t solved these problems. According to theory, Consciousness is everywhere. ‘The highest peak is small when you compare it to the tiny moth'” (p. 222).
Here is how integrated information is defined: Integrated information measures how much can be distinguished by the whole above and beyond its parts, and is its symbol.
I think if Tononi’s view is right it would have to be the case that each mechanism of a system can only be part of one consciousness, since information cannot be counted twice. If you are a panpsychist you should embrace the radical conclusion. They’ve been heuristic cartoons, recapitulating structure more like DNA and proteins for me for quite some time. It should now be plain as day why Tononi is inconsistent in trying to have his cake and eat it too. It only reaches a high level of in the brain. Your recently viewed items and featured recommendations, Select the department you want to search in. But it’s impossible to look at nature from the third-person perspective and “see” that there is phenomenal consciousness there because by its nature it is private and subjective. A radical theory has mind-blowing answers; Nautilus (2017): Is Matter Conscious? And in monkey experiments the “report” is a judgement about whether they see a stimulus, which can be made by pressing a lever. (If not, then it will). According to Tononi, the reason why the camera has a low level of compared to a brain is that the brain integrates information between all its specialized processors and the camera does not. It requires a leap of faith.
Schwitzgebel recently tackled Tononi for his series of Is America Conscious Given Theory x reductios, and focussed on what he termed the ‘nesting problem’: the problem is that phi seems to raise the possibility of consciousnesses *within* consciousnesses (Tononi recognizes this in his most recent papers and calls it the superposition problem). Perhaps inside your brain asleep the repertoire is so reduced that it’s no richer than in a waking ant, or not by much. And with that Tononi hopes the “hard” problem of consciousness is solved. These representations, as he points out in his paper, can be as different from the real thing as a operating system like Windows is to the internal causal dynamics of the circuit board. If you are interested in working with us, please send an email and CV to Giulio Tononi (gtononi@wisc.edu) and/or Larissa Albantakis (albantakis@wisc.edu). So, instead of an onion, as the metaphor goes in the book, it’s only the onion’s core, one specific consciousness, that remains. I am deeply skeptical about the coherence and scientific legitimacy of the term “phenomenal consciousness” or “qualia”, which is Tononi’s target explanation. However, I believe the problem is deeper than just lack of empirical evidence.
How could the pulse go on, beat after beat, for all of life?
Until Tononi answers that question, his “solution” to the hard problem of consciousness is fairly disappointing.
217 Responses to “Giulio Tononi and Me: A Phi-nal Exchange” Sam Hopkins Says: Comment #1 May 30th, 2014 at 5:17 pm. Wie Aus Materie Bewusstsein Entsteht, International Review of Neurobiology, Volume 37: Selectionism and the Brain, Darwinismo neurale. Also, I found Hoffman’s piece very interesting, but not nearly so radical as he seems to think, which again leads me to think I’m missing something important. We are clueless.
This paper on “conscious realism” by UCIrvine professor Donald Hoffman was wholly convincing to me and works well within an IIT paradigm: http://www.cogsci.uci.edu/~ddhoff/ConsciousRealism2.pdf. It did get me wondering, however, if anyone in PoM has taken systems-theory approaches to the problem of consciousness. Definitions come last, not first.” But this is a false analogy. This is how he downplays his panpsychism.
Qualia seems mysterious in humans? Change ), You are commenting using your Twitter account. For obvious reasons Tononi downplays the panpsychist implications of his theory, but he does admit it. An instance of consciousness is the guess the system makes about how the world is after its very long game of “20 Questions.” Every mechanism only plays the game in one series; the series that generates the highest value for phi. I think most people will want to define stipulation criteria such that the ascriptions come out with only biological creatures having consciousness. And if that’s the case, then the entire methodology of NCC is mistaken. Phi: A Voyage from the Brain to the Soul by Giulio Tononi(2012-08-07). Ask not if the beating cranks are going to jam, but when.”. If the brain is the primary organ of objective reality, the phlogeny of brain evolution extends from detection from a primary object which begin at the subjective. I was under the impression that the work on ecological rationality (Gigarenzer especially) had pretty much swept the table. Like . Not even close. No machine could run that long without a stumble. (math, theoretical physics). ( Log Out /
The converse notion seems to me something hard won. It is instead a fundamental property of matter itself. You can’t say that photodiodes are conscious but then say the only interesting consciousness is that of corticothalamic systems. This is the most comprehensive and knowledgeable review of Tononi’s opus I’ve read so far. Some Comments on Edelman and Tononi’s book. Once you look at all the evidence, you can’t help but believe in evolution. I have no problems with consciousness studies so long as we define consciousness as something like introspection or reflection, which can be defined noncircularly.
what it is that constitutes personhood over time, i.e.
Filed under Consciousness, Philosophy, Psychology, Tagged as consciousness, Francis Crick, Giulio Tononi, Integrated Information, Neural Correlates of Consciousness, phenomenal consciousness, qualia. Phi is easily the most unusual book on consciousness I have read in awhile. The reason the camera is not rich is because it can be broken down into a million individual photodiodes. If Tononi thinks he has figured something out about how the world is put together that opens up some sticky questions about whether or when abortions are ethically problematic, the fact that he does not solve those problems about abortion does not have any bearing on the truth of the things he thinks he has figured something out about how the world is put together. Book review: John Geiger's The Third Man Factor: Surviving the Impossible, Book review: Giulio Tononi's Phi: A Voyage from the Brain to the Soul, http://rsbakker.wordpress.com/2012/09/11/a-brick-o-qualia-tononi-phi-and-the-neural-armchair/, http://www.cogsci.uci.edu/~ddhoff/ConsciousRealism2.pdf, A Brick o’ Qualia: Tononi, Phi, and the Neural Armchair « Three Pound Brain, http://www.drpilotti.info/eng/towards-a-science-of-consciousness.html. Can the Clinical Diagnosis of Disorders of Consciousness Avoid Behaviorism?
What is “pure information” but an abstraction, a figment of our intellect? A possible connection between phenomenal properties and six dimensional spacetime.
Otherwise the larger position, Conscious Realism, strikes me as a terminological twist on idealism, which I just have to reject on cognitive psychological grounds.
Again, I have the feeling that I’m missing something basic. People can argue where to impose the boundaries, in the skull or five feet away, but the assumption of continuity with a absolutely dwarfing environment is going to be mighty hard to rattle… In addition to explaining consciousness. The whole concept of qualia is mysterious to me. After viewing product detail pages, look here to find an easy way to navigate back to pages that interest you. http://www.drpilotti.info/eng/towards-a-science-of-consciousness.html A leap based on intuition. Post was not sent - check your email addresses! But my intuition screams against such a possibility.
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